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		<title>By: Tony the Economist</title>
		<link>http://citytank.org/2011/04/15/dont-tax-what-you-want-more-of/#comment-410</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony the Economist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Apr 2011 23:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One quick note: notice how close the values of midrise and highrise are. Given that midrise is less expensive to build, meets with much less neighborhood opposition, and requires less energy per square foot both to build and operate, it should be clear that the real ball game is moving from lowrise to midrise. Trying to move from midrise to highrise is a much tougher sell for a much smaller marginal benefit. Certainly highrise makes sense in downtown and a few other places, but the battle for density, efficiency and sustainability is going to be won or lost on the debate between lowrise and midrise.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One quick note: notice how close the values of midrise and highrise are. Given that midrise is less expensive to build, meets with much less neighborhood opposition, and requires less energy per square foot both to build and operate, it should be clear that the real ball game is moving from lowrise to midrise. Trying to move from midrise to highrise is a much tougher sell for a much smaller marginal benefit. Certainly highrise makes sense in downtown and a few other places, but the battle for density, efficiency and sustainability is going to be won or lost on the debate between lowrise and midrise.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony the Economist</title>
		<link>http://citytank.org/2011/04/15/dont-tax-what-you-want-more-of/#comment-409</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony the Economist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Apr 2011 23:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First off, as an economist, I LOVE the land tax idea. One of the pervasive problems with virtually every tax regime is something called &quot;excess burden&quot;. The concept is that whenever you tax something, people shift their production/consumption decisions in order to avoid the tax. This results in resources being used inefficiently and creates a &quot;dead weight loss&quot; in the economy. A dead weight loss is equivalent to burning money. The money is simply wasted and no one benefits. All tax systems create some degree of excess burden, but not all tax systems are equal in this regard. There is a whole field of research centered around making tax systems more efficient. Anyway, long story short, taxing land is the most efficient tax regime possible. Why? Because land is a &quot;fixed factor&quot;, nobody is making more of it and we can&#039;t get rid of any of it either. I could prove this mathematically, but it would involve lots of calculus.

However, as wonderful as land taxes are, there is at least one very significant drawback: equity.

Here&#039;s your problem: take two houses on Queen Anne hill built next door to each other, each on a 5000 sf lot. One of these houses is a 4,000 sf mansion with top quality architecture, and luxury finishings. This house was built recently and is occupied by a Microsoft millionaire. The other is a 1,200 sf bungalow built near the turn of the century for a working class family, which has been passed down for 4 generations and is now occupied by a retired couple on a fixed income.

Now, under the current tax regime, the value of the mansion is 4 to 5 times the value of the bungalow and thus the owner&#039;s property tax bill is 4 to 5 times that of the retired couple in the bungalow. However, the value land underneath each of these houses is the same, and thus under a pure land tax, the property tax bills would be the same for these two properties. Even if you phase it in slowly, shifting from an improvements tax to a land tax will result in lower tax bills for the wealthy and higher tax bills for the poor.

This same issue applies in multifamily housing. Take a standard low-cost stick-frame apartment building compared to a luxury condo development of the same density in the same neighborhood. Again, the tax bill for the low-income housing will go up while the tax bill for the luxury condos would go down. Same with office development: lower tax bills for downtown highrises and higher tax bills for old historic buildings in Pioneer Square.

Part of what is good about land taxes is that they discourage land speculation and encourage development. That&#039;s great when you are talking about parking lots and strip malls, but not so great when you are concerned about historic preservation and gentrification.

Notice that these are not selfish, private interests pitted against the public good. These are real public interests that matter a lot to a lot of people.

Can a land tax regime be developed in a way that allows us to capture the benefits of such a tax (greater efficiency, punishing land speculation, greater density) without these deal-breaking equity impacts? Well, yes and no.

One possibility is a hybrid tax in which land and improvements are assessed and taxed separately with land taxed at a higher rate. Philadelphia does this for example. Another tool that could be used is a progressive property tax, which basically taxes land at a flat rate but improvements are taxed at a higher rate based on the per unit value of the housing. Per unit is the key. A midrise apartment building is more valuable than a mansion, but not on a per unit basis. Tax exemptions for historic structures and affordable housing can help mitigate the incentive that land taxes create to demolish these structures.

Unfortunately, any move away from a pure land tax creates new distortions and inefficiencies and thus undermines some of the motivation for making the switch in the first place. The key is to find a balance between the competing goals of efficiency and density that militate for a land tax and the goals of equity and preservation that militate against it. On this issue, there are no easy answers. Any shift in tax regime will require careful thought and consideration of all of the direct and indirect consequences. It won&#039;t be easy, but the potential benefits of a shift toward land taxes make it is a conversation worth having.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, as an economist, I LOVE the land tax idea. One of the pervasive problems with virtually every tax regime is something called &#8220;excess burden&#8221;. The concept is that whenever you tax something, people shift their production/consumption decisions in order to avoid the tax. This results in resources being used inefficiently and creates a &#8220;dead weight loss&#8221; in the economy. A dead weight loss is equivalent to burning money. The money is simply wasted and no one benefits. All tax systems create some degree of excess burden, but not all tax systems are equal in this regard. There is a whole field of research centered around making tax systems more efficient. Anyway, long story short, taxing land is the most efficient tax regime possible. Why? Because land is a &#8220;fixed factor&#8221;, nobody is making more of it and we can&#8217;t get rid of any of it either. I could prove this mathematically, but it would involve lots of calculus.</p>
<p>However, as wonderful as land taxes are, there is at least one very significant drawback: equity.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s your problem: take two houses on Queen Anne hill built next door to each other, each on a 5000 sf lot. One of these houses is a 4,000 sf mansion with top quality architecture, and luxury finishings. This house was built recently and is occupied by a Microsoft millionaire. The other is a 1,200 sf bungalow built near the turn of the century for a working class family, which has been passed down for 4 generations and is now occupied by a retired couple on a fixed income.</p>
<p>Now, under the current tax regime, the value of the mansion is 4 to 5 times the value of the bungalow and thus the owner&#8217;s property tax bill is 4 to 5 times that of the retired couple in the bungalow. However, the value land underneath each of these houses is the same, and thus under a pure land tax, the property tax bills would be the same for these two properties. Even if you phase it in slowly, shifting from an improvements tax to a land tax will result in lower tax bills for the wealthy and higher tax bills for the poor.</p>
<p>This same issue applies in multifamily housing. Take a standard low-cost stick-frame apartment building compared to a luxury condo development of the same density in the same neighborhood. Again, the tax bill for the low-income housing will go up while the tax bill for the luxury condos would go down. Same with office development: lower tax bills for downtown highrises and higher tax bills for old historic buildings in Pioneer Square.</p>
<p>Part of what is good about land taxes is that they discourage land speculation and encourage development. That&#8217;s great when you are talking about parking lots and strip malls, but not so great when you are concerned about historic preservation and gentrification.</p>
<p>Notice that these are not selfish, private interests pitted against the public good. These are real public interests that matter a lot to a lot of people.</p>
<p>Can a land tax regime be developed in a way that allows us to capture the benefits of such a tax (greater efficiency, punishing land speculation, greater density) without these deal-breaking equity impacts? Well, yes and no.</p>
<p>One possibility is a hybrid tax in which land and improvements are assessed and taxed separately with land taxed at a higher rate. Philadelphia does this for example. Another tool that could be used is a progressive property tax, which basically taxes land at a flat rate but improvements are taxed at a higher rate based on the per unit value of the housing. Per unit is the key. A midrise apartment building is more valuable than a mansion, but not on a per unit basis. Tax exemptions for historic structures and affordable housing can help mitigate the incentive that land taxes create to demolish these structures.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, any move away from a pure land tax creates new distortions and inefficiencies and thus undermines some of the motivation for making the switch in the first place. The key is to find a balance between the competing goals of efficiency and density that militate for a land tax and the goals of equity and preservation that militate against it. On this issue, there are no easy answers. Any shift in tax regime will require careful thought and consideration of all of the direct and indirect consequences. It won&#8217;t be easy, but the potential benefits of a shift toward land taxes make it is a conversation worth having.</p>
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		<title>By: In the land of the blind . . . &#124; citytank</title>
		<link>http://citytank.org/2011/04/15/dont-tax-what-you-want-more-of/#comment-358</link>
		<dc:creator>In the land of the blind . . . &#124; citytank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2011 16:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] have arcane information about Washington State property tax rattling around my head. So when I read Dan&#8217;s recent Citytank post about property tax and Peter Katz&#8217; analysis in Florida I couldn&#8217;t help but raise my [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] have arcane information about Washington State property tax rattling around my head. So when I read Dan&#8217;s recent Citytank post about property tax and Peter Katz&#8217; analysis in Florida I couldn&#8217;t help but raise my [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The New Pioneer Square &#8211; Help Give Pioneer Square and Chinatown/ID a Boost!</title>
		<link>http://citytank.org/2011/04/15/dont-tax-what-you-want-more-of/#comment-346</link>
		<dc:creator>The New Pioneer Square &#8211; Help Give Pioneer Square and Chinatown/ID a Boost!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 21:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] needs a boost The Seattle Times – Elliott Bay Book Co. moving to Capitol Hill CityTank.org – Don’t Tax What You Want More Of Letter from Pioneer Square and Chinatown/ID neighborhood leaders [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] needs a boost The Seattle Times – Elliott Bay Book Co. moving to Capitol Hill CityTank.org – Don’t Tax What You Want More Of Letter from Pioneer Square and Chinatown/ID neighborhood leaders [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Matt the Engineer</title>
		<link>http://citytank.org/2011/04/15/dont-tax-what-you-want-more-of/#comment-345</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt the Engineer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 20:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[However we do this it should be gradual.  That needle&#039;s hole becomes smaller the more quickly you implement this.  If you miss and increase a home&#039;s taxes by, say, 20% it&#039;s a lot more painful to increase that all at once than, say, 2% per year for a decade.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>However we do this it should be gradual.  That needle&#8217;s hole becomes smaller the more quickly you implement this.  If you miss and increase a home&#8217;s taxes by, say, 20% it&#8217;s a lot more painful to increase that all at once than, say, 2% per year for a decade.</p>
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		<title>By: Very interesting</title>
		<link>http://citytank.org/2011/04/15/dont-tax-what-you-want-more-of/#comment-343</link>
		<dc:creator>Very interesting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 20:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you, Dan, for bringing a very intriguing idea to your readership&#039;s attention...

A switch would be a major shake-up of the status quo, but I&#039;m not entirely sure it would be as bad as many property owners might fear. Would it have a tremendously huge effect on existing &quot;high&quot; use/improvements? Midrise and highrise (high value) improvements are typically built on high value land (downtown, near transit, etc). It would have to be structured and advocated for in a way that got these existing high use property owners on board (or at least indifferent), so that the greatest effects could be brought to bear on those who are sitting on valuable land with poor uses (downtown parking lots, etc). If the needle could be threaded just right, it could also be structured not to have tremendous effects on the vast majority of single family housing owners... and leave a lot of folks unaffected and really hone in on discouraging the worst abuses of underutilization of land.

But that could be a very hard needle to thread. This is all probably too wonky for uninterested voters to ever understand or care about unless it&#039;s sold purely as &quot;lower! property! taxes! for! you!&quot; Maybe it&#039;d be better to get the DSA, et al to lobby city council for a gradual transition.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Dan, for bringing a very intriguing idea to your readership&#8217;s attention&#8230;</p>
<p>A switch would be a major shake-up of the status quo, but I&#8217;m not entirely sure it would be as bad as many property owners might fear. Would it have a tremendously huge effect on existing &#8220;high&#8221; use/improvements? Midrise and highrise (high value) improvements are typically built on high value land (downtown, near transit, etc). It would have to be structured and advocated for in a way that got these existing high use property owners on board (or at least indifferent), so that the greatest effects could be brought to bear on those who are sitting on valuable land with poor uses (downtown parking lots, etc). If the needle could be threaded just right, it could also be structured not to have tremendous effects on the vast majority of single family housing owners&#8230; and leave a lot of folks unaffected and really hone in on discouraging the worst abuses of underutilization of land.</p>
<p>But that could be a very hard needle to thread. This is all probably too wonky for uninterested voters to ever understand or care about unless it&#8217;s sold purely as &#8220;lower! property! taxes! for! you!&#8221; Maybe it&#8217;d be better to get the DSA, et al to lobby city council for a gradual transition.</p>
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		<title>By: Japhet Koteen</title>
		<link>http://citytank.org/2011/04/15/dont-tax-what-you-want-more-of/#comment-342</link>
		<dc:creator>Japhet Koteen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 20:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems the reason we in Washington overbuild commercial centers in the suburbs is because of the way we apportion sales tax revenue.  If you&#039;re a small municipality in WA, you can capture your neighbors sales tax revenue by building a regional mall.  Obviously a small town in the suburbs won&#039;t have demand for high density housing and office, so retail is the only option, and sprawling retail is the cheapest way to build it. 

As Katz rightly points out, cities aren&#039;t just hurting their neighbors, they are hurting themselves; they don&#039;t actually get much tax revenue -- most of it goes to the state (~6.5 of the 8.6 cents collected per retail dollar). http://www.mrsc.org/Publications/revguide.pdf

Henry George style land taxes would correct some  part of the taxation side, but we also need to correct the regional revenue sharing side.  If a larger share of the sales taxes went to support regional infrastructure  rather than state and local, then we would be able to manage growth and we would reduce the incentive to beggar your municipal neighbor]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems the reason we in Washington overbuild commercial centers in the suburbs is because of the way we apportion sales tax revenue.  If you&#8217;re a small municipality in WA, you can capture your neighbors sales tax revenue by building a regional mall.  Obviously a small town in the suburbs won&#8217;t have demand for high density housing and office, so retail is the only option, and sprawling retail is the cheapest way to build it. </p>
<p>As Katz rightly points out, cities aren&#8217;t just hurting their neighbors, they are hurting themselves; they don&#8217;t actually get much tax revenue &#8212; most of it goes to the state (~6.5 of the 8.6 cents collected per retail dollar). <a href="http://www.mrsc.org/Publications/revguide.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.mrsc.org/Publications/revguide.pdf</a></p>
<p>Henry George style land taxes would correct some  part of the taxation side, but we also need to correct the regional revenue sharing side.  If a larger share of the sales taxes went to support regional infrastructure  rather than state and local, then we would be able to manage growth and we would reduce the incentive to beggar your municipal neighbor</p>
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		<title>By: Zef Wagner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zef Wagner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 19:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes yes yes! Ever since I read about the land value tax years ago I have been constantly baffled as to why cities won&#039;t give it a try. It makes so much sense and would truly transform our cities and suburbs. Why do we want to punish people for creating a lot of value on a small amount of land? Why do we encourage slumlords to hold onto decaying properties for as long as possible? If anyone has any ideas for getting this implemented I would love to hear it. Would it take a constitutional amendment? A ballot initiative? Could a city go ahead and try it on its own?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes yes yes! Ever since I read about the land value tax years ago I have been constantly baffled as to why cities won&#8217;t give it a try. It makes so much sense and would truly transform our cities and suburbs. Why do we want to punish people for creating a lot of value on a small amount of land? Why do we encourage slumlords to hold onto decaying properties for as long as possible? If anyone has any ideas for getting this implemented I would love to hear it. Would it take a constitutional amendment? A ballot initiative? Could a city go ahead and try it on its own?</p>
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