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		<title>By: DokMynccacy</title>
		<link>http://citytank.org/2012/03/15/the-answer-to-gentrification-more-density/#comment-6034</link>
		<dc:creator>DokMynccacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Apr 2013 03:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Cameron</title>
		<link>http://citytank.org/2012/03/15/the-answer-to-gentrification-more-density/#comment-1512</link>
		<dc:creator>Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 22:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, very interesting thread of comments. 

I think that one of the most feared consequences of gentrification (the purely economic definition) is that &quot;if I get priced out of my current housing situation, where else can I go?&quot; I think the lack of regional affordable housing is the culprit in this situation, something that I think that is not only much more immediately approachable than the challenge of &quot;build &#039;as-market rate-as-possible&#039; affordable housing in an area with existing high rents and land values.&quot; 

The solution to gentrification (aka &quot;I can&#039;t afford a reasonable commute and quality of life if I&#039;m pushed out of my current home)? Completely change the degree to which we build. Land values and existing dense structures in Capitol Hill are over and underwhelming respectively as a result of a lack of new construction over the years. Do you really think we&#039;d have a regional affordable housing crisis on the scale that exists if new, denser buildings were built as soon as economically viable? Yes, maybe folks would still get priced out of Capitol Hill, but then maybe they&#039;d still be able to afford a comparable home somewhere vaguely nearby and not in Black Diamond. 

Land values have risen and will continue to rise, and don&#039;t necessarily have to affect the affordability of a region. I point the blame at the lack of dense construction back when land values were actually reasonable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, very interesting thread of comments. </p>
<p>I think that one of the most feared consequences of gentrification (the purely economic definition) is that &#8220;if I get priced out of my current housing situation, where else can I go?&#8221; I think the lack of regional affordable housing is the culprit in this situation, something that I think that is not only much more immediately approachable than the challenge of &#8220;build &#8216;as-market rate-as-possible&#8217; affordable housing in an area with existing high rents and land values.&#8221; </p>
<p>The solution to gentrification (aka &#8220;I can&#8217;t afford a reasonable commute and quality of life if I&#8217;m pushed out of my current home)? Completely change the degree to which we build. Land values and existing dense structures in Capitol Hill are over and underwhelming respectively as a result of a lack of new construction over the years. Do you really think we&#8217;d have a regional affordable housing crisis on the scale that exists if new, denser buildings were built as soon as economically viable? Yes, maybe folks would still get priced out of Capitol Hill, but then maybe they&#8217;d still be able to afford a comparable home somewhere vaguely nearby and not in Black Diamond. </p>
<p>Land values have risen and will continue to rise, and don&#8217;t necessarily have to affect the affordability of a region. I point the blame at the lack of dense construction back when land values were actually reasonable.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt the Engineer</title>
		<link>http://citytank.org/2012/03/15/the-answer-to-gentrification-more-density/#comment-1511</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt the Engineer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 19:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;While older brick buildings are indeed cheaper than new product, average rental prices in these units have been steadily creeping up over time&quot;  You must see this is evidence contrary to your argument.  Capital Hill has strong zoning laws capping growth, yet demand for urban housing continues to rise.  Rising demand with a nearly fixed supply equals higher prices.  

How do you drop rents in Cap Hill?  Upzone some of the single family zones and add supply to the market.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;While older brick buildings are indeed cheaper than new product, average rental prices in these units have been steadily creeping up over time&#8221;  You must see this is evidence contrary to your argument.  Capital Hill has strong zoning laws capping growth, yet demand for urban housing continues to rise.  Rising demand with a nearly fixed supply equals higher prices.  </p>
<p>How do you drop rents in Cap Hill?  Upzone some of the single family zones and add supply to the market.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt the Engineer</title>
		<link>http://citytank.org/2012/03/15/the-answer-to-gentrification-more-density/#comment-1510</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt the Engineer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 19:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They must have really strong historic preservation laws as well.  If you can only get a fraction of market rate on your old building, you&#039;d quickly be tempted to tear it down and build something new.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They must have really strong historic preservation laws as well.  If you can only get a fraction of market rate on your old building, you&#8217;d quickly be tempted to tear it down and build something new.</p>
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		<title>By: kgdlg</title>
		<link>http://citytank.org/2012/03/15/the-answer-to-gentrification-more-density/#comment-1508</link>
		<dc:creator>kgdlg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 22:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are prop tax exemptions for little old ladies. And low-income housing development. I don&#039;t think prop tax is the driver of gentrification. Sure, there are some middle-income owners that get squeezed by it, but taxes in Seattle are actually comparatively very low. And what would be the magical revenue stream to replace the loss of prop tax? State income tax?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are prop tax exemptions for little old ladies. And low-income housing development. I don&#8217;t think prop tax is the driver of gentrification. Sure, there are some middle-income owners that get squeezed by it, but taxes in Seattle are actually comparatively very low. And what would be the magical revenue stream to replace the loss of prop tax? State income tax?</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://citytank.org/2012/03/15/the-answer-to-gentrification-more-density/#comment-1507</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 20:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mine, by the way, is this: abolish property tax. Why? Most of Seattle is single family housing. If the property tax doesn&#039;t go up on the fixed-income little old lady who paid off her cottage decades ago (how&#039;s this for oversimplification), her ability to afford her neighborhood doesn&#039;t change. Sure, fancy cheese might crowd out the Lucerne (tm) in the dairy aisle, but complaints about that sort of thing are a proxy. The real challenge is when neighborhoods become hot, newcomers often displace existing residents. Building enough new room for the newcomers is absolutely a part of the solution, despite Lesser Seattle&#039;s efforts to convince us &quot;if you don&#039;t build it, they won&#039;t come.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mine, by the way, is this: abolish property tax. Why? Most of Seattle is single family housing. If the property tax doesn&#8217;t go up on the fixed-income little old lady who paid off her cottage decades ago (how&#8217;s this for oversimplification), her ability to afford her neighborhood doesn&#8217;t change. Sure, fancy cheese might crowd out the Lucerne &#8482; in the dairy aisle, but complaints about that sort of thing are a proxy. The real challenge is when neighborhoods become hot, newcomers often displace existing residents. Building enough new room for the newcomers is absolutely a part of the solution, despite Lesser Seattle&#8217;s efforts to convince us &#8220;if you don&#8217;t build it, they won&#8217;t come.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://citytank.org/2012/03/15/the-answer-to-gentrification-more-density/#comment-1506</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 20:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To further infuriate James in the CD: 

&quot;The roof is on fire. What&#039;s your solution?&quot;
-Blue Scholars]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To further infuriate James in the CD: </p>
<p>&#8220;The roof is on fire. What&#8217;s your solution?&#8221;<br />
-Blue Scholars</p>
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		<title>By: kgdlg</title>
		<link>http://citytank.org/2012/03/15/the-answer-to-gentrification-more-density/#comment-1505</link>
		<dc:creator>kgdlg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 20:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As Dan knows, this argument (more density = more affordability) really incenses me. I echo Michael&#039;s comments about how specialized real estate is, especially here, and especially in &quot;high demand&quot; neighborhoods like Capitol Hill or Ballard. When we are talking about new density in Seattle, right now we are mostly talking about new construction, not condo conversions or rehabs of old buildings. And even in this market, it is still very expensive to build and to buy land in places like Cap Hill. This means that these buildings will not be &quot;affordable&quot; to anyone under 50% of area median income (the usual cut-off when talking about the truly &quot;low-income&quot; and where the real need is, especially for family housing). Just look at the rent structures on any of the new product on the Hill (Packard, Chloe, Broadway Bldg, Joule) - studios start at over a $1000/month. (A 50% AMI studio on the other hand would max out at about $770/month.) And, by the way, families don&#039;t live in studios, but that is another post for another topic...

So let&#039;s just agree that this product will not be affordable, ever. Even if there is an over-supply someday soon of these new units, prices may come down in the interim, but but they will eventually go back up when the building-boom stops for a while. (Real estate always moves in these boom and bust cycles.) These buildings would not be built if not for the pension funds, insurance companies and REITS that are investing in them. They are an investment class that guarantees returns from a certain level of high rents. That is why they choose places like the Hill to build, because they know with good certainly that they can get the rents they are planning on.

So people might argue that with all this new expensive product the old buildings will become more &quot;affordable&quot; right? All you have to do is look at Capitol Hill to see that this is not true, either. While older brick buildings are indeed cheaper than new product, average rental prices in these units have been steadily creeping up over time, approaching that $1000/month mark as well. 

When the neighborhood becomes more desirable via new development that caters to the high income, older rental product becomes more desirable too. And low-income renters are simply pushed to less-hot rental markets, which usually have fewer amenities (parks, grocery stores, transit access). And that is gentrification in a nutshell.

To answer Dan&#039;s question of how to solve this vexing dilemma, I believe that the only way is through creative subsidy programs and policy. I would like to see local Housing Authorities target TOD stations for the placement of project-based Section 8 vouchers. I believe this is one of the only ways to create housing affordable to the truly poor and low-income in these locations (those making less than 30% AMI). For workforce housing between 30-60% AMI for the working poor and low-income, there should be policy priority at both the City Office of Housing and Tax Credit funding levels to prioritize development around transit. (Right now there is not). And for units above 60% AMI the City should continue to look at ways to incentivize private developers to &quot;set-aside&quot; units at these levels, either through incentive or inclusionary zoning. These are a few strategies, if implemented together, could help impact the affordability of neighborhoods that are developing fabulous amenities like Light Rail while becoming less affordable to the average Seattlelite.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Dan knows, this argument (more density = more affordability) really incenses me. I echo Michael&#8217;s comments about how specialized real estate is, especially here, and especially in &#8220;high demand&#8221; neighborhoods like Capitol Hill or Ballard. When we are talking about new density in Seattle, right now we are mostly talking about new construction, not condo conversions or rehabs of old buildings. And even in this market, it is still very expensive to build and to buy land in places like Cap Hill. This means that these buildings will not be &#8220;affordable&#8221; to anyone under 50% of area median income (the usual cut-off when talking about the truly &#8220;low-income&#8221; and where the real need is, especially for family housing). Just look at the rent structures on any of the new product on the Hill (Packard, Chloe, Broadway Bldg, Joule) &#8211; studios start at over a $1000/month. (A 50% AMI studio on the other hand would max out at about $770/month.) And, by the way, families don&#8217;t live in studios, but that is another post for another topic&#8230;</p>
<p>So let&#8217;s just agree that this product will not be affordable, ever. Even if there is an over-supply someday soon of these new units, prices may come down in the interim, but but they will eventually go back up when the building-boom stops for a while. (Real estate always moves in these boom and bust cycles.) These buildings would not be built if not for the pension funds, insurance companies and REITS that are investing in them. They are an investment class that guarantees returns from a certain level of high rents. That is why they choose places like the Hill to build, because they know with good certainly that they can get the rents they are planning on.</p>
<p>So people might argue that with all this new expensive product the old buildings will become more &#8220;affordable&#8221; right? All you have to do is look at Capitol Hill to see that this is not true, either. While older brick buildings are indeed cheaper than new product, average rental prices in these units have been steadily creeping up over time, approaching that $1000/month mark as well. </p>
<p>When the neighborhood becomes more desirable via new development that caters to the high income, older rental product becomes more desirable too. And low-income renters are simply pushed to less-hot rental markets, which usually have fewer amenities (parks, grocery stores, transit access). And that is gentrification in a nutshell.</p>
<p>To answer Dan&#8217;s question of how to solve this vexing dilemma, I believe that the only way is through creative subsidy programs and policy. I would like to see local Housing Authorities target TOD stations for the placement of project-based Section 8 vouchers. I believe this is one of the only ways to create housing affordable to the truly poor and low-income in these locations (those making less than 30% AMI). For workforce housing between 30-60% AMI for the working poor and low-income, there should be policy priority at both the City Office of Housing and Tax Credit funding levels to prioritize development around transit. (Right now there is not). And for units above 60% AMI the City should continue to look at ways to incentivize private developers to &#8220;set-aside&#8221; units at these levels, either through incentive or inclusionary zoning. These are a few strategies, if implemented together, could help impact the affordability of neighborhoods that are developing fabulous amenities like Light Rail while becoming less affordable to the average Seattlelite.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
		<link>http://citytank.org/2012/03/15/the-answer-to-gentrification-more-density/#comment-1504</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 20:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Density does not equal affordability and in fact can excacerbate the displacement pressures that gentrificaiton can cause.  Simple supply side solutions are oversimplified for the reasons Michael lays out above.  Demand is not just driven by supply.  The amenities that come with new supply are strong drivers of demand (new parks, new transit, libraries, etc...)

However, folks like Babylonia whose intentions seem well placed view the gentrification issue with an equally oversimplified view of market dynamics as the &quot;build baby build&quot; choir.  Dilapidated buildings may be affordable but they can have lots of negative impacts on society and the families that dwell in them.  For example, no one deserves unhealthy living conditions and no region should be forced to sprawl because preservations of buildings are prioritized over preservation of green fields.

One solution:
Density (with low construction costs, quick permitting, and cheap equity) + public subsidy (levy and/or MFTE) + value capture (TIF and or inclusionary zoning) = affordable new development.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Density does not equal affordability and in fact can excacerbate the displacement pressures that gentrificaiton can cause.  Simple supply side solutions are oversimplified for the reasons Michael lays out above.  Demand is not just driven by supply.  The amenities that come with new supply are strong drivers of demand (new parks, new transit, libraries, etc&#8230;)</p>
<p>However, folks like Babylonia whose intentions seem well placed view the gentrification issue with an equally oversimplified view of market dynamics as the &#8220;build baby build&#8221; choir.  Dilapidated buildings may be affordable but they can have lots of negative impacts on society and the families that dwell in them.  For example, no one deserves unhealthy living conditions and no region should be forced to sprawl because preservations of buildings are prioritized over preservation of green fields.</p>
<p>One solution:<br />
Density (with low construction costs, quick permitting, and cheap equity) + public subsidy (levy and/or MFTE) + value capture (TIF and or inclusionary zoning) = affordable new development.</p>
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		<title>By: james in the CD</title>
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		<dc:creator>james in the CD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 17:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In order to first propose a solution for gentrification - you have to prove that it is a problem; gentrification hardly seems relevant to the author&#039;s discussion of density. From a reading of this article is hard to believe the author even had a grasp on the concept of gentrification.  

This post should hardly should be taken seriously - all logic is invalid and why did the author throw in references to NYC and Jane Jacobs as they do not help better establish any sort of argument - but rather they seem like they were thrown into the discussion to establish some sort of authority - hey look I know about Jane Jacobs and I have been to NYC - I am smart... this is the work of a grad student these days?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In order to first propose a solution for gentrification &#8211; you have to prove that it is a problem; gentrification hardly seems relevant to the author&#8217;s discussion of density. From a reading of this article is hard to believe the author even had a grasp on the concept of gentrification.  </p>
<p>This post should hardly should be taken seriously &#8211; all logic is invalid and why did the author throw in references to NYC and Jane Jacobs as they do not help better establish any sort of argument &#8211; but rather they seem like they were thrown into the discussion to establish some sort of authority &#8211; hey look I know about Jane Jacobs and I have been to NYC &#8211; I am smart&#8230; this is the work of a grad student these days?</p>
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